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Mommy, why does Bullwinkle have three legs?
I read some of those Cracked links. Not all of them, once you get started there, you can end up clicking links for the next six hours. From what I read, and the few facts that I know (like the Wonder Woman backstory), comics really are out to corrupt our nation's youth. They're filthy and perverted and often not subtle about it.
Myself, I was not allowed to read comics except during a very brief period when Batman was on TV. I was a very naive young lad, and I'd like to think that they didn't sneak any naughty bits into my reading material. But I grew into a perverted anarchist, so I think that's ample proof that comics are bad. Not to mention Adam West and those soft-porn movies.
What I propose is that we pass a law requiring all pre-teen catholic schoolgirls to read comic books every day after school in front of a big picture window with no curtains on it.
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Comics are for kids.
Adults read graphic novels. 
Where the hell did that posy idea come from?
I suppose comics are by definition funny but DC & Marvel were always called comics when I were a lad. |
It's kind of like how girls have "dolls" and boys have "action figures." Two different terms to describe what is, in essence, the same thing.
"Graphic Novel" is a pretentious euphemism that has gained prominence in the last quarter century or so to describe comics that are directed more toward the adult collector than to the kiddies. The term serves to make the older fanboys feel a little better about still living in mom and dad's basement beyond the age of 30 ("Hey! I pay rent!").
Not surprisingly, the whole "adult collector" phenomenon (not to be misinterpreted as "porn collector") has, by and large, only been around since the early / mid-80s, too. These days, the lion's share of new comics are marketed directly to this older crowd. Even the decades-old DC and Marvel mainstays like Spider-Man and Batman have taken on a grittier, more adult tone. Can't say it's really a good thing, either. Most comics these days take themselves way too seriously and the storylines are ridiculously convoluted.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| "Graphic Novel" is a pretentious euphemism that has gained prominence in the last quarter century or so to describe comics that are directed more toward the adult collector than to the kiddies. |
Ain't That the truth. And you can thank Frank Miller & Alan Moore, The creators of "The Dark Night" & "Watchmen", For upping the stakes on that genre. It's that dreaded "edgy" term again. Although the new DC lineup since the summer of '11 seems to try for the middle ground. My nephew, like his Uncle George was in the early years, is a big comic book fan now and he tells me about some of the current plots of the revamped superheros comic.
From what I gather, they are--what an idea!!--focus more on plots & stories instead of shock value & gimmicks. Marvel is still wrapped up in that; just recently, they 'killed off' Peter 'Spider-Man' Parker and replaced him with a 15-year old kid who's not only black AND Hispanic, but hinted at being gay too. As my nephew stated, you think they covered all the demographics at once too soon? It's more focused grouped now I guess.
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I read a comic last year & in the prologue (the editor?) said that they asked for Wonder Woman to have smaller breasts several times.
Are they trying to lose their audience? |
They really have done that a couple of times before...my favorite was when they turned her into a kung-fu feminist heroine, wearing a bland all-white leisure suit instead of that cleavage-boosting costume of hers. The 70's was to blame for that. 
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Once you start creating multiple worlds, re-animating dead characters and successors to the original, you've gone too far.
It's fictional. It's OK if Batman would actually be in his Nineties now. He's not real! The Simpsons has the right idea. Keep the story arcs to one to three magazines and then reboot. It doesn't matter what happened in the last story, this is a new one. It doesn't matter how many times you blow up Daffy Duck, he's fine in the next cartoon.
Kids can deal with that. It's the adults that are a problem. Well guess what? Everything else in those "graphic novels" is impossible, reality on one level is pointless if you insist that Batman is an IT-Tech/crimefighter/mechanic/machinist/seamstress/etc in his off-hours and still able to conduct a multi-million dollar business.
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@Greensleeves
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| "Graphic Novel" is a pretentious euphemism that has gained prominence in the last quarter century or so to describe comics that are directed more toward the adult collector than to the kiddies. |
Ain't That the truth. And you can thank Frank Miller & Alan Moore, The creators of "The Dark Night" & "Watchmen", For upping the stakes on that genre. It's that dreaded "edgy" term again. Although the new DC lineup since the summer of '11 seems to try for the middle ground. My nephew, like his Uncle George was in the early years, is a big comic book fan now and he tells me about some of the current plots of the revamped superheros comic.
From what I gather, they are--what an idea!!--focus more on plots & stories instead of shock value & gimmicks. Marvel is still wrapped up in that; just recently, they 'killed off' Peter 'Spider-Man' Parker and replaced him with a 15-year old kid who's not only black AND Hispanic, but hinted at being gay too. As my nephew stated, you think they covered all the demographics at once too soon? It's more focused grouped now I guess. |
I enjoyed a lot of Alan Moore’s 80s output (Marvelman is especially tip-top) and some of Frank Miller’s earlier stuff (Daredevil, The Dark Knight), but I’ve kind of lost touch with them in the intervening years. For better or worse, those two (Moore in particular) totally changed the way comics are written and interpreted. I’m sort of inclined to think that the writers they influenced are more responsible for the hopeless clusterfuck that mainstream comics are in today, but those guys are the ones that opened up Pandora’s Box.
Sounds like your nephew’s got a pretty good grasp of things, too, by the way.
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| Once you start creating multiple worlds, re-animating dead characters and successors to the original, you've gone too far. |
Yeah, and now the big boys (DC & Marvel) have painted themselves into a corner to such a hopeless extent that they’ve essentially had to start all over again. Thing is, DC already attempted to clean house back in 1985 with that Crisis bullshit, and they still managed to dick it all up. I’m sure the same thing’ll happen this time around, too. Just give it a little time. Too many titles, writers, characters, continuities, etc. to keep track of.
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I read a comic last year & in the prologue (the editor?) said that they asked for Wonder Woman to have smaller breasts several times.
Are they trying to lose their audience? |
They really have done that a couple of times before...my favorite was when they turned her into a kung-fu feminist heroine, wearing a bland all-white leisure suit instead of that cleavage-boosting costume of hers. The 70's was to blame for that. |
"I hereby call Power Girl to the stand as a rebuttal witness for the defense (of big bodacious ta-tas)."
Who’s this “Power Girl,” you ask?
“Power Girl is the Earth-Two counterpart of Supergirl and the first cousin of Kal-L, Superman of the pre-Crisis Earth-Two. The 1985 limited series Crisis on Infinite Earths eliminated Earth-Two, causing her origin to change; she became the granddaughter of the Atlantean sorcerer Arion. However, story events culminating in the 2005-2006 Infinite Crisis limited series restored her status as a refugee from the Krypton of the destroyed pre-Crisis Earth-Two universe.” – source: wikipedia
Got all that? That mind-numbing mess pretty much sums up where comics are today. Pffffffft!!!
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Fuck it, just concentrate on Power Girl’s amazing rack:
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I have came across that character already (as the teenage boy said).
It was just the thought of someone complaining about a comic character's tits being to big.
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Wow! I'd never seen that Archie comic strip before. It appears to be on the level, too. Bob Montana was just trying to reproduce the typical slang used by America's typical teenagers.
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"8.Believe it or not — there’s a whole page on “straight dope” dealing with what Archie meant in that 1947 comic:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=649408
Many of the suggestions were the obvious anatomical and scatological ones but there were several that meant “dead end” as in a dead end job, or “not prime”, or cul de sac — again a dead end. Then there are some imaginative and rather blue comments and stories and a lot of stream of consciousness.
I’ve added a few of the quotes relevant to the dead end meaning:
Archie says his job gets “kind of butthole at times” in 1947 newspaper comic.
When it’s not prime, of course.
“Butt” has many more meanings than its most common current one. The OED gives one usage of butt-hole as a dead end.
on Lighter wrote the book on American Slang, and he has NO listing for “butthole” to mean anything that would pass a censor in 1947.
The current OED online has a single cite for “butt hole” to mean something innocent
Quote: butt-hole n. a blind hole, a cul-de-sac.1905 Westm. Gaz. 3 Mar. 3/2 The old dog’s got him [sc. a badger] in a butt hole." |
It's interesting how the context for a particular word can totally change over time. The transformation of "Gay" is probably the most visible example. Similarly, “Boner” in the 40s & 50s referred to a stupid mistake. This use of "Butthole" may be a bit more obscure than those examples (at first glance, I figured the strip had been doctored by some photoshop prankster), but it earns a spot among the many words of the bygone era that now take on a bizarrely comical aspect when revisited in the present.
Great stuff! I feel like I've learned something valuable today.
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| Like the golden showers cover you posted long ago, I'm certain that the authors did ALL of these things intentionally. Using the same word forty times is not coincidence and all writing courses stress that synonyms should be used so that writing doesn't appear repetitive. The more examples that pop up, the more I've come to believe that the Comics Code was a necessary thing. Those guys would have been publishing hardcore porn by 1960 if they were allowed to continue.
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