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Reggie
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 Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:18 am Post subject: Is anyone else burned out on soldier talk ... |
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Is anyone else burned out on soldier talk?
You know, how grateful we are for their service. How we need to do more to show our appreciation. How we need to provide for them better when they return home.
I don't know, last I checked, it was a fucking VOLUNTARY force. Quit acting like these guys are making this huge sacrifice. That's their fucking job, they signed up.
Plus, and be honest here, how many of these troops signed on because they simply had no other options? These people are often the least educated and skilled people around.
What they do is great, sure, but lets quit making it out to be the most important thing on Earth. |
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Don
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Try living in the fucking South. They cream their pants every time they see a soldier or the initials USA are mentioned. These are the same folks that are pissed because they weren't allowed to secede from the country 150 years ago.
But I'm not sure how voluntary things were. A large amount of these troops are National Guard. They signed up to serve once a month helping out disaster victims and running drills. The commitment is for 8 years, so a lot of them signed up before 2001 and it was a long time before they could get out. The National Guard are never used to fight a war, that's why George W joined them during Vietnam. They have regular jobs and most of them aren't 18 like a draftee would be. The guys in WWII enlisted for the war, these guys were dragged into it because the US didn't have a big enough army to fight a war and knew that the citizens wouldn't allow a war if it meant there would be a draft again. Everybody swore it would be short, a couple of days like Desert Storm and since patriotism was high after 9/11, lots of people got suckered in for what they thought was a easy work.
So besides being dragged into this war, they got assigned several tours of duty. In WWII you were in until the war was over or you got shot. Vietnam soldiers only had to stay a year. Some of these Guardsmen got sent back five or six times and I don't think they had a choice.
Army is usually unskilled but the other branches pick up smarter guys whose families can't afford to send them to college for the high-paying jobs they're good enough for. The worst guys end up in the infantry but it you have a little bit of smarts you can get a good education in the military and then get college paid for besides. Apparently student loans crush a lot of people but soldiers don't have that problem. Without the GI Bill, the military would get shit for recruits.
I don't agree with a lot of the things that soldiers are condoning by carrying them out. But if somebody saw combat, they deserve my gratitude, whether or not I think they should have been in that war. If they spent their time in Japan or Germany, their life was probably easier than mine.
You keep going on about how evil the Muslims are, you should be kissing these soldier's boots for doing something about keeping them in line. Soldiers are getting shot at because you don't feel safe and said you needed protection from the boogey man.
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Reggie
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| You keep going on about how evil the Muslims are, you should be kissing these soldier's boots for doing something about keeping them in line. Soldiers are getting shot at because you don't feel safe and said you needed protection from the boogey man. |
Not sure what you're referencing in regards to evil, but yes, I think their culture is shit for subjugating women and not speaking up more about how a minority of Muslims are ruining the worlds impression of them. |
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Good points, Reggie.
America is bipolar. We're either way over here, or way over there. What we're collectively doing is (over) compensating for our treatment of Vietnam-era veterans.
At least in terms of showy public gestures and lip service.
But the fact remains that veterans lead many demographics not only in unemployment but suicide. Something critical is being left undone.
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Don
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| Not sure what you're referencing in regards to evil, but yes, I think their culture is shit for subjugating women and not speaking up more about how a minority of Muslims are ruining the worlds impression of them. |
Their subjugation of women is not sufficient for me to want to spend billions of dollars and send 2879 soldiers to their death. As for the world's perception, those in Al Quaida are just a handful of bad seeds within an area full of Muslims who aren't condemning American excess. Do you have a similar hatred of white males throughout the world because they are responsible for the majority of mass shootings and serial killing in the USA?
This map suggests that if we want to target Muslims then we're doin' it wrong. We should be in Asia or Africa. Turkey at the very least.
The largest concentration of Muslims in the US is not far from you in Michigan. Michigan is about as run-down as post-war Germany, largely because of US corporate policy and the migration of American drivers to Japanese cars. So they probably have some gripes about America. Yet to my knowledge, none of those Muslims has declared a jihad on the US. Oh yeah, most of them are black so they have that grudge too.
And how do you compare subjugation of women to that of humans in total?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/business/ieconomy-apples-ipad-and-the-human-costs-for-workers-in-china.html?_r=2&hp
I thought that America had ended such practices by the 1920s. I have believed for several years that unions had become corrupt, were contributing to the destruction of US industry, and should be disbanded. But apparently we still need them or companies would be doing the same shit here. Don't try and shrug this off as a Chinese problem. These companies are in China specifically because they know that they can get away with this. The article claims that if somebody threatened to take their business somewhere else, things would be put in order very quickly.
How about this chart? Looks like women aren't the only ones being subjugated. Maybe it's time for Christians around the world to mount an attack on the US to remedy this injustice.
Everybody has good reason to think that everybody else is fucked up. When you're 1950s-60s America, maybe you're in a moral position to decide how the world should be run. But this is 2012.
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Doesn't change my mind one iota.
Statistics are like easy women: you can get them to do whatever you want. |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Don wrote: |
| Do you have a similar hatred of white males throughout the world because they are responsible for the majority of mass shootings and serial killing in the USA?. |
I can't be any more clear about this: I only like about 20 people. You do the math.
And those happy shooting statistics certainly don't reflect where I live. Are those from the Center To Make Everyone Feel Good?
And I think I've been on record about my thoughts on the American wage disparity. It's crooked.
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sd10521
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| Don wrote: |
| Do you have a similar hatred of white males throughout the world because they are responsible for the majority of mass shootings and serial killing in the USA?. |
I can't be any more clear about this: I only like about 20 people. You do the math.
And those happy shooting statistics certainly don't reflect where I live. Are those from the Center To Make Everyone Feel Good? |
You got me beat, my number is at zero. I don't even like myself...
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Reggie
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Don wrote: |
| But this is 2012. |
Thanks, I hadn't torn 2011 off the calendar yet. |
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Reggie
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Don wrote: |
| Don't try and shrug this off as a Chinese problem. |
I didn't mention China in this tidbit so clearly I can't be shrugging this off as a Chinese problem.
My only Chinese problem right now is that my take-out wasn't spicy enough. |
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Don
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| Reggie wrote: |
| I can't be any more clear about this: I only like about 20 people. You do the math. |
At least we agree on one thing, my naughty or nice list is about the same. You're still on the good side even although I think you do better on domestic issues than foreign policy.
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